Ram Bahadur Bomjon – “Buddha” boy is now a man yet still a marvel

Several years ago whilst still in Korea I remember watching an interesting Discovery Channel documentary, The Boy with Divine Powers which featured the remarkable accomplishments of teenage Ram Bahadur Bomjon – then already having been dubbed “Buddha Boy” – for his ability to meditate seemingly without the need for food or water. For some reason I thought of this documentary a few days ago and was curoius as to just what happened to “Buddha Boy”? Was he still alive? Was it all just an elaborate hoax? Or, was there something more to this, something we just can’t fully explain?

The documentary – set in an isolated forest in rural Nepal where Ram had commenced his meditation and which had already become a circus with thousands of pilgrims, tourists and sightseers flocking each day to view this miracle of nature – was produced with two purposes in mind: to document Ram’s feat and its accompanying curiousty in a land bounded by a deeply spirituality but experiencing widespread change and upheaval at the time, and to monitor him for seventy-two hours continuously in order to determine whether this was an elaborate hoax or indeed a feat of incredible human endurance was being witnessed, whereby an individual is being sustained by spirituality alone, not requiring the seemingly essential nourishment of food and water to survive.

Despite a few setbacks – largely due to Ram’s over zealous brother and followers – the documentary crew were able to monitor his condition continuously for 72 hours (the amount of time the average cannot live without food or water) and assert that during this period the young man had not taken on food or water.

Fast forward eight years since Ram first started his spiritual odyssey and he is still an active meditator and  faster, being capable of inedia – the ability to live without food or water. Following the increasing accompanying circus following his fasting meditation at the base of the hollow tree featured in the documentary, Ram disappeared later in 2007 – when the documentary was released – only to be found some weeks later citing the reason why he left his original meditation spot  “because there is no peace”.

Controversy has since followed Ram, in 2010 there were reports that he had assaulted some local villagers in the Bara district of Nepal as they were mimicking his meditation, disrupting him and attempting to manhandle him. More seriously, a Slovak woman, held captive by Ram followers for three months, was released in 2012.

Ram, from a Buddhist family in majority Hindu Nepal,  has gone on record as stating he is not Buddha’s reincarnation. However, his remarkable feats continues to delight, intrigue, astonish and amaze observers leaving even the most ardent critics to question whether there is something special this man is able to achieve, and if he can, perhaps we are all capable too.

What are your thoughts? Despite the advances modern science and medicine have made over the past two centuries are there still some things that defy logic, science and the basic fundamentals of life we base our experiences upon?

Is Ram showing us something we are all ultimately capable of, or is he in some way, special, unique?

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57 responses to “Ram Bahadur Bomjon – “Buddha” boy is now a man yet still a marvel

  1. If you understand Buddhism, Buddha cannot reincarnate, as reaching nirvana means you escape the cycle of life. That’s why, if he say he is Buddha’s reincarnate – he would immediately be identified as a phony.

    • Thanks for your comment, Mingji. You make a good point.

    • ascending and not reincarnating in the physical sense is something i’m familiar with but I have also been introduced to “ascended masters” coming back for this special time in our history to help humanity ascend as a whole

    • He is another buddha.

    • Buddha can not reincarnate because he was born as human being who showed people the right path and the path to enlightenment and achieved nirvana to end his cycle of life. The purpose being to show that nirvana is achievable by us humans. But Buddha himself was not human and was a god who came as a human to show us the path and set an example. Being a god, he can reincarnate (or come back) any time he wishes or pleases. Now that’s my thought for Buddha – but this boy being budda or not is whole another story. He difinately has some special abilities to be able to sit there steady for days without food or water or being affected by weather. I cannot even get out of the house in winter without being properly dressed for winter – with thermals, warm clothes, gloves, boots, scarf, jackets, etc and a blanket wrapped around me till I get in the car which is already warmed up bcuz of the remote start feature. And as far as nourishments go, I keep on eating and drinking the whole day. I need at least 8 hours sleep every day. That’s not just me – I’m sure most of us normal humans are that way – so this boy definately is different and special and we gotta do more research about him rather then passing ignorant comments which are meaningless.

      • In many Buddhist teachings “Buddha himself” as you say was born as a prince named Siddhartha Gautama, a mortal human. At birth a soothsayer sees two possible destinies for the child. He would either be a great military king or a teacher to the path of liberation. This soothsayer named the boy Siddhartha translated as one who obtains a goal.

        A Buddha is someone who obtains nirvana and escapes the cycle of samsara. There were many Buddha’s before “the Buddha” and there will be many to come after him. We see Siddhartha as “the Buddha” because his teachings of the middle way or path to enlightenment has evolved into the religion of Buddhism.

        It is very possible that Ram is on his way to enlightenment and may become a Buddha free from tanha. It very much appears that way to me, but I can agree with you that he is not “the Buddha”.

    • Buddha can come back and will emanate innumerable number of bodies to help sentient beings based on his/her initial motivation to liberate all beings from their state of confusions. He might come back as a dog or an ant if that is what it takes. “One ground two path,” we sentient beings were the same stuff as the primordial Buddha but when the first thought arose we got confused and led astray but the primordial Buddha recognizes it for what it is.

  2. Actually Ram himself has denied this, and many practitioners of Buddhism.
    The title was given by the people around him.

  3. meditation is the key to go through the door, into nirvana,enlightenment.
    to interconnected with spiritual energy that is within us…believe and step up,cause, a long journey starts with a first step…be kind to one another….kindness generates kindness,…, and feel blessed

  4. the power that is within us, is endless..,cause energy can not be destroyed, once you generate enough spiritual energy through meditation,the molecules of your body they`ll be connected to one another, aligned that’s when you reach bliss,peace within, in a state of profound silence…that leads you into enlightenment.
    abstinence+ time+profund silence+meditation,this is everything.

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  6. Take up one idea. Make that one idea your life – think of it, dream of it, live on that idea. Let the brain, muscles, nerves, every part of your body, be full of that idea. Focus your awareness on that one specific idea and all that relates to that idea, and live behind all the other ideas that conflicts with it. Just like how two gears that doesn’t spin in the same direction would cause a friction; You shouldn’t inhabit two conflicting group of ideas in your being. Sacrifice is just another word for letting go, and only when you let go could you hold another object in your hands. This is what meditation is about, it isn’t about being in a lotus position or sitting in a bodhi tree.

    The people most consider “creative” make this process obvious in everyday life. Artists, composers, poets, innovators, inventers, developers of all kinds, perceive in a wider range. Then they interpret and convert these perceptions, using materials in your shared environment, to produce art, music, technology, enterprises, new ideas that they bring into the reality they share.

  7. “Surrender not in the sense about invalidating who you are, rather just the opposite. We are talking about total validation of who you are, what you are, and what you were created to be. Surrender, in a sense of stopping the cessation of trying to be who you think you need to be and the start of simply allowing yourself to be who you are, to surrender and give up the personality game that you have been taught for many years to think that you were supposed to play. And in letting that go, in giving it up, in surrendering it, then actually allowing yourself to be what you were created to be, which is in the image of the Infinite. Which means you are created to be unlimited possibilities and, thus, then when you surrender the limiting personality mask that prevents you from seeing that you are Infinite being, that you are unlimited possibilities. When you give that up, you are then allowing the universe, which is a mirror, to reflect, not just the limited personality that you think you are supposed to be, but instead to reflect the unlimited possibilities that you actually are and to allow your life, as we said before, to become an infinite series of miraculous circumstances because that is what you are, miracles of Creation. Remember, you are Creation itself, you are the act of creation, you are the event of creation itself. So to surrender to life, to surrender to Creation, to surrender to the Infinite, no matter by what name you wish to call it, it doesn’t matter, by so doing, you are surrendering to your true nature and allowing your reality automatically to show you the miracle of creation that you are. And, thus, then, your reality can represent the miracle that you are by a continuous series of synchronicities that always support you, that benefit you, allow you to experience expanded creativity and abundance. When we talk about the idea of surrendering, we are talking about one of the most profound acts of love, self-love, creation that you can do. And in so, finally, just letting go, just stopping all the trying, all the struggling, all the striving of what you think you are supposed to do, in order to, “Have what you think you are supposed to have.” When you give all that up, when you finally just get so tired of trying to be who you think you are supposed to be and give up because you just get so tired of trying to push this that way, pull this this way, and make things fit, and make things fall into place, and make things work, when you finally get so tired of doing all that pushing and pulling, when you finally give it all up and let go, then, then the miracles happen, then you can experience life for what it is, unlimited possibilities. So, remember when you surrender your personality, when you let go and you give it up, you are surrendering to life, to the Infinite, and to your true self. You are not losing anything nor giving your power away. You are once and for all, finally, allowing yourself to actually be who you are, your natural self, your true self.” ― Bashar

    • Thank you for this. It moved me to tears. “Those voices flowed into my ears, and the truth was distilled into my heart, and then the feelings of devotion boiled over, and tears ran down, and I was happy at them.” St. Augustine, Confessions 9.6.

      • Thanks for your comments, Phillip and Matilda.

        Matilda, at this stage I actually only have an elementary knowledge of Buddhism and its tenets, thanks for your comments I should look further into Buddhism and gain a deeper understanding.

        Cheers,

        Ben

        PS I’ve cleared up the spam :)

  8. Bruce Lee said it in this words: “The Three Stages of Cultivation — The first is the primitive stage. It is a stage of original ignorance in which a person knows nothing about the art of combat. In a fight, he simply blocks and strikes instinctively without a concern for what is right and wrong. Of course, he may not be so-called scientific, but, nevertheless, being himself, his attacks or defenses are fluid. The second stage — the stage of sophistication, or mechanical stage — begins when a person starts his training. He is taught the different ways of blocking, striking, kicking, standing, breathing, and thinking — unquestionably, he has gained the scientific knowledge of combat, but unfortunately his original self and sense of freedom are lost, and his action no longer flows by itself. His mind tends to freeze at different movements for calculations and analysis, and even worse, he might be called “intellectually bound” and maintain himself outside of the actual reality. The third stage — the stage of artlessness, or spontaneous stage — occurs when, after years of serious and hard practice, the student realizes that after all, Kung Fu is nothing special. And instead of trying to impose on his mind, he adjusts himself to his opponent like water pressing on an earthen wall. It flows through the slightest crack. There is nothing to try to do but try to be purposeless and formless, like water. All of his classical techniques and standard styles are minimized, if not wiped out, and nothingness prevails. He is no longer confined.”

  9. His teaching stresses on non-discrimination, leading a moral life and be a vegan:

    http://www.etapasvi.com/en/news/precepts

  10. i don’t know whether he is Buddha or not but i believe that he is one of a great vikshu of modern world……. n i appreciate his way of practice in path of Buddha…. n i like to meet him when he become great pure soul of modern world..

  11. I’ve seen him before in a world record book. This is quite the feat! I do wonder if he can truly go without food for that long… He does not move when he meditates, so he could be internally conserving the calories that are needed to survive as long he does without food.

  12. Excellent blog you have here but I was wanting tto know if you knew of any community forums that cover thee same topics talked about in this article?
    I’d really like to be a part of online community where I can get suggestions from other
    experienced people that share the same interest.
    If you have any suggestions, please let me know. Kudos!

  13. is there any way to find him? meet him in person?

  14. Thanks for the comments, everyone. It’s a fascinating topic and there’s so many things we’re yet to fully understand about the true power and potential of the human mind, body and spirit as Ram shows us. Hi Quincy, I’m not sure of any communities which discuss these issues though if I find any I’ll pass them on. Hi M, Ram, to my knowledge is still in Nepal and from time to time makes public appearances but he rarely announces these meetings before the event.

    Thanks for the links Helen and for the comments tsering dorjee and peiton.

    Cheers

  15. You can read the story of the kidnapped, tortured and raped Slovak woman – all at the command of Bomjon – on Halkoria (dot) myewebsite (dot) com , and the background of all this on Punarvasu (dot) myewebsite (dot) com.

  16. While i doubt that Ram, ‘Buddha boy’ claimed to be a reincarnation of the Buddha, I am fairly shocked that both Ben & Mingji Lim believe that reincarnation is not part of Buddhist teachings. Our karma creates our future rebirths. In the Mahayana tradition, it would be accepted that as Buddha has complete mastery over his consciousness, he can and would reincarnate in order to help sentient beings. That is the foundation of bodhisattvic activity whereby realised beings choose to live amongst us and teach the dharma.

  17. Also Ben you might want to clean up all the spam comments here, it’s starting to look like a dog’s breakfast!

  18. It is sad that this sick world doesn’t allow this special soul to practice in peace and solitude , until he feels ready to come out .
    It seems the world is always ready , in their skepticism, to take apart (or destroy) what is beyond their understanding, or to try right away to make a big buck out of it.
    At this point it is enough for me, that he inspires me through his example of meditative determination.

  19. I have read the life and teachings of the Buddha. What is says” The cause of suffering is because of life and death. The way to end suffering is to be an enlightened one. The most important teaching of the sutras is summed up in the sutra of the heart sutra. Ram is about my age and i believe that he is very brave to meditate alone away from society for so long. How long can one go without there friends and family. I know of this story a long time now. Surprised that people in the west are still concerned about a humble Hindu country in Nepal.

  20. Have you ever think who has created the soul? if there is an ending after nirvana how did it emerged? are there infinite souls? at certain day those infinite souls has to attain nibbanana then there shouldn’t be any souls. but if souls are generating due to a reason, then we have to stop that reason which will be the ultimate ending!

  21. As i see it, and experienced it, there is only one soul. Existence is somekind of illusion generating around this singular presence.

    • if there are constant number of souls, One soul for you, one soul for me and for others. Like that if at a certain moment in time and space everybody attain nirvana then that will be a special moment. But if the souls are not a constant and keep on generating due to some reason then we have to end that reason. It will be the end of suffering for everything!

  22. I can go over a full year without food or water! Of course, anyone can do the same if they try hard enough, and meditate! Of course, it is much more enlightening to have ice for your diet pop when doing this! I find that drinking warm pop all day can get quite boring, and the pop goes flat much faster! I think I saw a NASCAR banner in the background of one of these videos when I was looking at the Buddha! Did anyone else see this too?

  23. Genuinely no matter if someone doesn’t understand afterward its up
    to other viewers that they will help, so here it takes place.

  24. You have nobody to thank here. Every comment is a waste of time. Nobody can understand unless they practise themselves. Sit in a half/full lotus position, and watch every inhale/exhale without missing a single one for an hour, and then you will begin to understand. Until then, you will not understand anything worthwhile about this man. At least, nothing more than entertainment value. The big story here, and with most stories, is how stupid people are. I searched out stories on this man only for the first time today, finding out about him by a search on another topic, and haven’t seen more than a handful of intelligent comments of understanding yet. Helen is a wacko, she posts those bogus “maitraya cult” links on ever story. They are completely bogus. Meditation is about turning the mind off, and being aware of what is left, with unwavering attention, which is the true self; normally hidden by the insanity of the brain.

  25. When one have not yet gained wisdom and understandings through vipasana and are able to view things as they really are, one might follow anyone who claims one thing or another because one had not yet understand how to view things without attachments. I’m just surprised that other monks who had been meditating had not gain enough wisdom to know this and are paying homage to this boy. I don’t think the Buddha cares if the boy was becoming enlightened or if he’s real or lying. It’s a good thing that his story brought some people to look at Buddhism closer and perhaps broadening their mind to it, but in my opinion, we don’t need to have another Buddha, we already have Buddhism and I think this boy that just wants to be worshiped. If he really wanted to be enlightened, he has to through the same path that the Buddha sets out for everyone, which is becoming a monk, live in a monastery, take and follow all the precepts… etc.. It’s harder than sitting there watching his family members collect money though…

  26. Thank you for all comments, I’m glad to found this. I’m Thai Buddhist I knew what all about but I couldn’t tell my German husband. My English not good enough to explain. Now, I think I can.

  27. I’d like to know:
    -how he lights the fire, I heard great meditators and Qi Gong can
    -how he’s so buff for sitting in meditation for so long, doesn’t muscle atrophy?
    -how he sits in fire for so long, most would suffocate already
    *amazing person. I practice sitting meditation and 10mins hurt already. He defies logical science.

  28. Fight broke out between Ram Bamjan’s followers and local villagers

    4 people were injured in a fight between local villagers and the followers of Ram Bahadur Bamjan who is well known as an ascetic person. This fight was happened when the followers of Ram Bamjan started to beat the local villagers for entering the jungle without permission. This fight was started when the villagers found that they had beaten one of the villagers named ‘Utim Guro’ vary badly all night tying his hands. In this fight, Ram Bamjan’s followers, Samir Gurung, Rup Bahadur Thing and Lama Balak are injured. Similarly, one villager, Rakesh Guro is also injured. Police has started their investigation for kidnapping the villager. Ram Bamjan has apologized on the behalf of his followers being such rude to the villagers.

    http://onlinenp.net/2014/09/fight-broke-ram-bamjans-followers-local-villagers/

  29. i feel if he was Buddha that its possible through ascension but not reincarnation just how Jesus ascended from heaven he to left the cycle of life dont take this as me comparing Buddhism to Christianity I’m merely saying he could possibly be Buddhas ascended form it would seem fitting he as shown many signs showing his divinity over modern day medicine and science this would leave me to believe he may just be a god in the form of a human being just by him stating hes not Buddha shows hes modest not drawing attention to his self or to his ways just there to be a symbolic person in the time of need just as how Jesus was a symbolic person in the time of crisis. I’m not a very religious person but to see this has made me believe in the spiritual and supernatural that someday we will all reach a heightened enlightenment.

  30. I believe he tried and possibly still trying. I have not met him and going on what I see on Utube. Not great. :\ If Utube perhaps still is anything to go by it’s possibly a hoax but I do FEEL he’s genuinely trying. Perhaps just the wrong surroundings of family and the others that change the situation. As happens to all.

  31. It is a beautiful thing to see more information spreading about Dharma Sangha, and more people interested in him.
    I have been to Nepal twice over the last two years and stayed with the Sangha surrounding Guruji both times.
    He is the real deal, so to speak, nothing more to it.
    I will gladly elaborate on any details for anyone who is genuinely interested or has any questions.
    But an excellent source of what is going on with Guru and the Sangha is this website – http://maitriya.info/en/ – which also has translations (insufficient in their depth and understanding – but which points very well to the essence) of all teachings and speeches given by Dharma Sangha to date.

    Another beautiful thing which has only just happened – after years of wrangling with Nepali bureaucracy, corporate interests, fear mongering, and disinformation, it seems the atmosphere in the country has turned, with Guruji visiting with the Nepali prime minister a few days ago. Here the sacred forest of Halkoriya, in which he meditated and attained enlightenment, was finally granted the official status of a Dharmic forest, which means no animals may be killed and no trees or plants may be cut within it. Furthermore, Dharma Sangha was finally granted a passport, so that he can commence traveling across the world and spreading the Maitri Dharma which he has said he will do.

    Much love to you all –
    Maitri Mangalam

    • Dharma Gyatso, is it a beautiful sight to see women chained to trees in Halkhoriya, raped at the order of your DharmaSangha, tortured (breaking both hands)? watch us, two victims of your guru, how “beautiful” we looked after his 3 months torture, on Avenue TV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufQUidl6Zi4 . And how beautiful is to see the victims of the latest violence in Halkhoriya on Sep 2 covered with blood ? Then look at http://onlinenp.net/2014/09/fight-broke-ram-bamjans-followers-local-villagers/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ2YyvHf2h0 . You can also satisfy your sense for beauty viewing the X-rays of my two broken hands by your divine guru and his divine lama Molam at his order on my website Halkoria. I think you will most like the Avenue Tv interview, which shows the Nepali victim emaciated, with also broken left hand and skinny like after concentration camps. It is highly positive news to know that the guru who tortured me 3 months keeping me on chains, can continue such divine activities at the support of the Nepali government and spread his hobby to the world abroad, gaining a passport. But anyway, thank you for absolutely non-transparent propaganda!

      • Hey Marici.

        I know you must be in a lot of pain and mental anguish, and you have my heartfelt compassion for that. I won’t argue with you, I don’t believe it generally leads to anything constructive. And I won’t try to disprove the things you are saying – anybody truly interested will find the inconsistencies, exaggerations, and paranoid delusions easily enough. Writing that I feel it sounds incredibly arrogant, but I want to be honest, and that is how I see your statements and various posts (an easy, obvious example would be the video you linked above from sept. 2 after the attacks in Halkoriya – the Nepali man with all the blood on him is a devotee, not a villager, as is evident from the Dharma Sangha mandala necklace around his neck. It was the devotees who were violently attacked by villagers many times there number). It is clear from all your output that you are unbalanced. Nothing shameful in that, it is difficult to remain centered in this turbulent life at the best of times – and I have no doubt that your ordeal in the jungle was a harrowing one. I know you were there, and I know you were there a long time.
        I met you, actually, on the night you were released from the jungle.. I have rarely seen anyone so happy to be in the company of other people..
        Anyway, I don’t really know where I am going with this. It always makes me a bit sad and strange to come across your posts – they automatically make me think sceptically about Guru and the Sangha, which I dislike.. but I don’t think it is a bad thing.. ultimately, you help strengthen my faith, so in a way I must consider you one of my teachers.
        Namaste

      • “I know you must be in a lot of pain and mental anguish, and you have my heartfelt compassion for that.”

        No you don’t know, and no, you don’t have heartfelt compassion. If you ever had, you would not continue to write your cynical preying on the suffering caused entirely by people like you are and your friends. remember, I was not the only one kept captive and tortured there and the, were and when you were celebrating, enjoying yourself, laughing… Another human being, Maata Ani was yours and yoru friends victims there as well. You do not even mention. I know exactly where do you wish to deviate this discussion, because I had been told by Darshan, who was raping me at the order of Dharma Sangha, that you (Sangha) are going to declare me “mentally disturbed”. This is the usual weapon of cults, when they try to discredit those who describe their crimes. I am not new at this, and I am sure man readers here neither…

        “I won’t argue with you, I don’t believe it generally leads to anything constructive.”

        You are doing just that. But your ways are not straight: telling that you don’t argue, you continue to write your argument. Telling that you have compassion, you write a cynical post… So what is constructive in your eyes? Maybe to slap people…? I suppose you agree with that. When it is done to others, not you…

        “And I won’t try to disprove the things you are saying – anybody truly interested will find the inconsistencies, exaggerations, and paranoid delusions easily enough.”

        No, anybody truly interested found actually a normal middle-aged woman, who attained Yoga levels already in 1987, and came to volunteer to Bomjon, who just included her among the long list of attacked people, what you cannot deny. Had they all been full with “inconsistencies, exaggerations, and paranoid delusions”? I suppose this is what you tried to say here: that in case anybody described the dark rituals of violence and rapes done by this cult, that person is surely crazy, because a normal person like yourself would never be kidnapped, chained and raped. Yes, actually this preventive labeling with “inconsistencies, exaggerations, and paranoid delusions ” is what your “guru” is doing with all victims of his violent hot-flashes. e exclaimed about all of them tat they are crazy. And what then? Imagine they/we are… Is that enough reason to put on chains for three months someone? So no matter what do you want to justify with the proved and by many people witnessed 3 months of captivity on a half-mete chain, you will never get an applauding audience for it. If you think it is me who exaggerates, but those who, as documented by police and media, kept me on chains 3 full months, did they not exaggerate more, by such a crazy senseless deed?

        “Writing that I feel it sounds incredibly arrogant, but I want to be honest, and that is how I see your statements and various posts ”

        I do not mind that it sounds arrogant: I mind that you deeds were arrogant. Barbaric, cruel and heartless… And you still call that all “dharma”, even if my two wrists are now broken by your friends and your guru, handicapping fro all life. That is exaggeration again, I know, I should just go over it, such things do happen in everyday life, you are right…

        “(an easy, obvious example would be the video you linked above from sept. 2 after the attacks in Halkoriya – the Nepali man with all the blood on him is a devotee, not a villager, as is evident from the Dharma Sangha mandala necklace around his neck. It was the devotees who were violently attacked by villagers many times there number).”

        So you still did not get it I see… was I also not a devotee? I also had DS’s sand in my bags, his Khadas in my pockets and hands when they attacked me… You do NOT know me then. You should ask old-timers like Andy, dawa, Waiba: I was living in Halkoria long before you even came there. This is the thing: DS usually attacks his own devotees. It is easier, they (we) do not go to complain to police, as they(we) are worshiping him as a guru who is allowed to do anything.. This is what you still did not understand I see. And anyway, why do you discriminate? Is the blood of Bomjon;s people more red than of those who are from the village? There had been violence, and that violence, as always, was initiated by Bomjon. Those wounded guys.. do they look like Bomjon’s people, proud to have defended their guru? Not to me! They rather look depressed and disappointed and confused. And I tell you why: because yes, they DID think that they are Bomjon’s people, like I though when he invited me in December 28 2011. But he attacked them and let the tortured, and then made up a really funny story hat the guys were “smoking on my sofa”… Come on, think a bit!

        “It is clear from all your output that you are unbalanced. Nothing shameful in that, it is difficult to remain centered in this turbulent life at the best of times”

        Oh how kind of you to give out diagnoses for free! Guess what: I am not unbalanced. I was very balanced an happy, surrounded by loving and caring friends, when Ds attacked me. And after he released me, I am again fine. But those 3 months in his “care”, were hell. And am writing about those 3 months only. Hell supplied by Bomjon is really not a balanced place…

        ” – and I have no doubt that your ordeal in the jungle was a harrowing one. I know you were there, and I know you were there a long time.”

        Wow, and you agree with such tortures hey? Very nice. Maybe once when you will see this from the other side, you will not agree. You heard the word “compassion” during the Maitri Puja thousand times.. Did it not occur to you to actually try it out, this word, in real…?

        “I met you, actually, on the night you were released from the jungle.. I have rarely seen anyone so happy to be in the company of other people..”

        Did you read Robinson Crusoe? So what is strange in that? I love people, and I was left there alone, meting just two faces, Darshan and Dorje, my torturers… Tel me what is mentally sick in being released from such a hell and be happy to see people???

        “Anyway, I don’t really know where I am going with this. It always makes me a bit sad and strange to come across your posts – they automatically make me think sceptically about Guru and the Sangha, which I dislike..”

        Yeah, this is the important point: you and your Sangha are not interested in the truth. If the truth makes you feel uneasy, you jut replace it with some illusion. If you ever cared about other people, what do you think, do I not dislike what I had to feel about “guru” and Sangha, after what they did to me? What about my likes and dislikes…? Please care about that too! I also wished to only like you guru and your Sangha. That was my ideal, my plan. Be less selfish and care about what the victims might have felt.. Maata.. ad others… So have you been there also when a few days after DS attacked his own sisters, mother and brothers? Can you also see the same “beauty” in that like you saw in my case..?

        ” but I don’t think it is a bad thing.. ultimately, you help strengthen my faith, so in a way I must consider you one of my teachers.”

        Faith in what? That violence against others is the right path? Or that poisonous irony and cynicism are jus other names for compassion ? Oh yes, that faith in you is now surely strengthened.

        Allah Akhbar!

  32. As a practicing Shia Muslim, who respects ALL life, here are my thoughts. Whether or not you believe he is in meditation or faking it for publicity, it is HIS business. Not ours. Instead of harassing this young man, we need to take a big step back and respect his boundaries. Thank you for allowing this post.

  33. Dear Dawud, no one ever harassed him. People do lie sometimes in this world, though you might not, as a religious person. I also do not. But popular personalities often use lies to cover some kind of dark hobbies they have. Bomjon’s main hobby is violence. Documented, witnessed, seen, heard by many in Nepal. So when Bomjon started to justify his violent attacks o many people (including his own siblings and mother!) lie about his own devotees that this or that had attacked him with black magic, or that I was a spy filming him at night with infrared camera (I did not even have a normal camera that time!), or that some women are witches, and thus his people should attack them! Then who is the one harassed in this? Just read a few of the much more attacks that Bomjon did himself against innocent people who just happened to walk around, of were visiting him as his devotees: http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Is+Buddha+boy+above+the+law%3F&NewsID=326153

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Two+women+held+captive+in+Bamjan%27s+ashram&NewsID=325506

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Bamjan%27s+boys+go+unruly%26sbquo%3B+beat+up+journos&NewsID=324978

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Bamjan%27s+boys+go+unruly%26sbquo%3B+beat+up+journos&NewsID=324978

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Police+quizzes+Buddha+Boy+over+thrashing+locals&NewsID=251193

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Buddha+boy+shows+wrath&NewsID=250955

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/searchLocal.php?page=2

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Bamjan%27s+aides+free+Slovak+woman&NewsID=325643

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Bamjan%27s+captive+Marichi+in+Lama+hotel%E2%80%9A%27severe%27&NewsID=325521

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Marichi+in+Ktm+&NewsID=325629

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Buddha+Boy+aides+beat+up+villagers&NewsID=356469

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=%27Buddha+Boy+took+sis+hostage%27+&NewsID=333274

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Buddha+Boy+turns+violent%E2%80%9A+thrashes+siblings&NewsID=326582

  34. Some people who write here consider words like “compassion”, “love” only things to use verbally. When Ram Bomjon started to show his true nature, after the 2011 Mahadarshan, “secret” about his violent attacks were slowly surfacing. The min feature in all these events was that he lied about the reasons. In the case of the Spanish woman we had been told she was a witch and mentally disturbed…OK, it was one case, we accepted, could be.. Then the 17 villager men – they were aggressors and smokers of cigarettes. When it was told that even in 2007 a boy was attacked with a sword (haha – the narrator was laughing!) I myself also thought that it was probably something necessary… Guru surely knew why, why to question…? And that was still somewhat OK when Nagsalji, his Nepali servant, was declared mentally ill and forcefully sent to some “crazy-house” as Nepalese call it…After all, the guru knows what is good to everyone… (Although in this case I was not so sure anymore about the benefits of electroshocks for Nirvana)…
    But then the foreigner boy who just spoke to a day before (he asked me not to use his name or country, but Sangha members know who it is), became the next victim in 2011.. I started to lose my balanced view about the “guru”… The boy certainly did not look like an enemy, he came to ask the “guru” to lead him in meditation… Bad timing? He surprised him when he was combing his hair.. It started to look like Brad Pitt’s “guru-ship” in Fightclub. Violence which liberates.. Well, maybe. But apparently only when done to “the others”. Bomjon isolated a few devotees to become objects of his “seemingly controversial behavior” (as he himself called this hobby of attacking)…and separated another group which he labelled “Sangha”… Just black and white players on his chess-desk. If he gets bored, he will switch the blacks for whites and whites for blacks…I know, because I was seen as white before, and now seen as black.

    But I was still accepting all he was doing, and worshipping him… Yes, I might have even criticized those “evil aggressors”, just the same way like now his Sangha is stigmatizing me… A Buddhist mystic lady told me that now, in this last age, Karma is not postponed to next and next life anymore: all the cruelty, non-compassion, disinterest in other people’s suffering, self-assurance “how good that this did not happened to me”… all this is going to bring reward in this very lifetime. Soon, she said.. So I feel that God allowed the cruelty to happen to me from this fake guru and his special commando, for a single reason: because so many victims had been already suffering from Bomjon before me, but I refused to step down to them, hug them and heal their wounds…Will you stay indifferent?

  35. This is a reply to Dharma Khidrnaji Gyatso:
    The Paul-to-Shaul effect:
    Gyatso, there had been questions on this blog, challenging my “inconsistency” in writing about Bomjon, and I clearly and logically explained it, and the questioner accepted it politely and it gave a sense to him. So you know, it is all about the questioner, because I myself explained already my change in attitude from praising Bomjon to criticizing. This is a Paul-to-Shaul effect… I am not going to repeat myself and spam this blog with the same texts. You can find it somewhere here, or you could also just think about the reasons, why do victims protect their attackers in the first days and weeks after being rescued… (when most of my praising interviews and media articles were created). You had demonstrated a ‘profound knowledge about psychology’ in your previous comments: so try to use it to understand this “mystery” about victims of brutal violence and rape.
    There are people to whom nothing is good enough: when I was praising him in my GG articles and volunteered to translate his Mahapranidhana, they still claimed that I was harming him with my texts (which they never bothered to read) and that I was a disturber, witch, enemy etc. Now I am sober and writing about the criminality done to me by him and them (a later grave conclusion of the former “innocent” witch-gossips), and they again hate me because I write down the embarrassing facts. So what do you want, Sangha? That I am shut up like many other victims? Licking silently my wounds in the corner so that everyone will think that the attacks never happened? Is that not called “lie”? Hypocrisy? Cruel disinterest in the suffering of others, done by a “dharmic group”? Wait a moment, did your guru not speak about Eight Loving Precepts, Truth and “Maitri”?

    Nothing is good for you. When I was still under the magical spell of Bomjon and full of the fears of them, I was protecting him all over the Internet discussions and even against the media. Even when I did so, his Sangha continued their hate-campaign, to delete my access rights on every forum, gossip me that I was a witch etc. It was not good enough for them… They simply want the victims just shut up and disappear from the surface of the Earth… This is your “Maitri”. This is your so many times emphasized “compassion”… But watching the developments during the last two years, when I was naively expecting Bomjon to eventually tell the truth about all his previous lies (why he attacked all those people and me), and expecting him to make justice or reconciliation, to heal the pain and to return my robbed laptop and other belongings… When I saw that nothing like this is ever going to happen, but that Bomjon just continues to attack new and new people and encourages his Sangha to repeatedly bribe officials to stop police investigations and (mainstream Nepali) media coverage – and when I saw he just continues with bloody attacks (see Sep 2, 2014): after this the “magical spell” of “Guruji” gradually dissolved. People with moral principles simply do have their limits, how far they can stretch their conscience to accept the immoral activity of even a beloved, cute, spiritually “radiating” powerful “guru”. His cruel advice in Sindhuli 2012 to a group of foreigners, where one boy M. was present and later gave me witness account, was: “Do not care about Marici anymore, forget about her, because thinking and speaking about her you could take on her Karma”. Gyatso, this all is about who has where one’s moral/human limits. But yes, apparently you do not have such limits anymore…

    • Daaamn, but you do post long when you post, ay? Okay, Marici, okay…
      I admit, reading your post I can see a whole bunch of places where what I write might come across as cynical or callous. That was not my intention. And I apologize for that.
      As I mentioned, I find it quite difficult to know what to do when I see your posts… I am going to do my best to be completely, one hundred percent honest in this page, and I hope that will shine through for others who read it… then there is not much more I can do, then it will be up to you and them to take that information and feel it for themselves..
      My reason for this difficulty lies in my desire to be open, honest, and compassionate to all beings. Which is so much easier said than done, I am sure you will agree. But when I see your posts I want to defend the Sangha, and my Guru (… and when writing that I can sense how utterly silly that is – he doesn’t need any defending – everything always is on the path that it must be, things are as they are, and this earth will be restored no matter what now <3 ). And I want to do so because I simply don't believe the vast majority of the things you post.
      Okay… So… What do I actually know… know know.. .. Well, I Know that you were held in the jungle for a long time, because I saw you when you were released. I have no reason not to believe that you were held there for three months, as you say, as that seems to be consistent with a few rumours I heard when I first arrived near the Sangha (which were about how you had disappeared).
      As to what you endured whilst you were held there… that I don't know. And I would like to believe people when they tell me their truths, of course I do, but you see, I can't help feel that there is this pattern in the things you post that (beyond all the other reasons relating to my beliefs and experiences and knowledge concerning the genuine benevolence and love of the Sangha, the Guru, and the Dharma) makes it very hard for me to believe most of it…
      So let me try to illustrate that pattern, and maybe you, or others, can see what I mean. I'll start with your posts here in response to me:

      ”No you don’t know, and no, you don’t have heartfelt compassion. If you ever had, you would not continue to write your cynical preying on the suffering caused entirely by people like you are and your friends.”
      – Partly agree, in hindsight, with your first point. Of course, obviously, I am not personally familiar with the pain you experienced. I didn't experience it, after all. But I didn't say I knew the pain you were in, merely that you were in a lot of it, which seems like an odd thing to deny – so many of your posts explicitly highlight the suffering you went through, and I don't think you are denying that, so what then? Are you saying that these experiences of yours which you go to great length to convey to others are now completely healed, or that I, presumably unlike other people who read your posts, cannot understand and accept that you suffered? (perhaps because you identify me exclusively with the sangha (which will become evident throughout your post) instead of as an indvidual with my own experiences in life, my own background, my own joys, sorrows, hopes, doubts and sufferings…).
      In the second part of that quote you accuse me of, a) preying on those already suffering. b) that their previous suffering is entirely caused by me and people like me) and c) in conclusion, that I thus can't have any heartfelt compassion. I actually agree with the causation of “c”, but utterly refute their basis in “a” and “b”.
      You don't know me, Marici, and it seems pretty aggressive to start a reply to someone by not only denying their stated intentions (which, I agree, could have been stated better by me), but by accusing me of being a predator on the suffering… Off to a fair and balanced start then..

      ”remember, I was not the only one kept captive and tortured there and the, were and when you were celebrating, enjoying yourself, laughing… Another human being, Maata Ani was yours and yoru friends victims there as well.”
      – At the time when we were simultaneously in Halkoriya I was going through a lot of difficulty in my life. I was confused and doubtful about so many things, all rooted in myself, lack of understanding and compassion towards myself. I have never regretted the time I spent in the jungle, but to say that the majority of it was fun or easy for me certainly isn't true. Now, that isn't to say that I didn't also celebrate, enjoy myself, or laugh at times. All of those are a beautiful part of life, and without them, what would be the point of life? People are enjoying life, spreading love and compassion, celebrating, laughing, across the world, all the time, despite the rampant suffering in this age. If we didn't, again, there would be nothing worth living for for anyone – and we would all be stuck in constant suffering.
      Now, had I known that you and another being were being held in the jungle, I would have felt differently. I know myself well enough that I couldn't have let a thing like that rest or be dismissed without understanding all of it, had I first become aware of your situation. But I wasn't. I had heard about you, as far as I knew you were missing, I knew there was an area of the jungle were something was being kept that we weren't allowed near, but I had no idea what that was… Then you were released and more of the picture was revealed.
      So. To say that you or Mataa where MY victim… wow. Are you really accusing me of being a part or a cause of your suffering simply because I was in the same vicinity as you or met some people who, without me knowing it, knew you were there? And the way you contrast those points – that we were celebrating and laughing whilst keeping you captive, isn't that a bit blatantly manipulative imagery?
      Again, I was in the jungle, I was having a difficult time myself though of course there were good times too, and because of my presence there I was a gleeful participant in what was done to you, even if I was utterly ignorant of your presence? Hundreds of thousands of people came during that Puja to celebrate – are they equally guilty in their oppression of you? Equally malevolent in their joy?

      “You are doing just that. But your ways are not straight: telling that you don’t argue, you continue to write your argument. Telling that you have compassion, you write a cynical post… So what is constructive in your eyes? Maybe to slap people…? I suppose you agree with that. When it is done to others, not you… “
      -“just that” referred to arguing. And you know what. You're right. I agree. I continued to argue even though I had just stated I didn't want to. As I have said, not only was that post not brilliantly written, and I can see how it can come across as more cynical than it was intended, but that I have difficulty in knowing how to respond to your posts..
      But then you go ahead with the “I probably like to slap people – the suffering of others is okay to me” shtick and it's just… … I mean… what?! Marici, in all honesty, you know in your heart of hearts that this line of arguing/thinking/reasoning holds no ground. You don't know me, but you already suppose that I find it constructive to physically punish people.
      Then you have a long paragraph mainly concerning the Sangha and Guru and I'll get back to that later as I want to highlight the personal “attacks” you have made here first. –

      “I do not mind that it sounds arrogant: I mind that you deeds were arrogant. Barbaric, cruel and heartless… And you still call that all “dharma”,”
      – Which of MY deeds have been arrogant, barbaric, cruel and heartless? Can you name a single one?

      “ ” – and I have no doubt that your ordeal in the jungle was a harrowing one. I know you were there, and I know you were there a long time.”
      Wow, and you agree with such tortures hey? Very nice. Maybe once when you will see this from the other side, you will not agree. ”
      – No, of course I do not agree with or condone torture. I said I know you were there, not that I knew you were there whilst I was in the jungle. And of course, I still have no idea what actually happened to you there. I only have your word for the things you say happened, and as I am trying to make a point of here, your word is not one I can merely accept, since, again – your presumptions about me, for example, are startling, unfounded, and seem to autmatically assume the very very worst – how then can I trust the things you write?

      “Tel me what is mentally sick in being released from such a hell and be happy to see people??? “
      – The answer is, of course, nothing. But then again, I never said that you were mentally sick for being happy. Once again you have blatantly taken what I wrote out of context. I followed that sentence with this ”Anyway, I don’t really know where I am going with this.”… But what I wrote about you being happy. That was an observation, purely without judgement. I am not claiming your happiness in that instance meant you were sick, that would be nuts.

      “ “Anyway, I don’t really know where I am going with this. It always makes me a bit sad and strange to come across your posts – they automatically make me think sceptically about Guru and the Sangha, which I dislike..”
      Yeah, this is the important point: you and your Sangha are not interested in the truth. If the truth makes you feel uneasy, you jut replace it with some illusion. If you ever cared about other people, what do you think, do I not dislike what I had to feel about “guru” and Sangha, after what they did to me? What about my likes and dislikes…? Please care about that too! “
      – Again. How do you know what I am interested in? From that one post alone? If the truth makes me feel uneasy I face that truth. Which is why I wrote that you help strengthen my faith. Because if you make me feel uneasy or sceptical towards the sangha or Guru that means there is scepticism within me towards them, and that is good to know, and gives me the opportunity to look into, to understand myself and my doubts better, to apply critical compassion towards the sangha within my heart and to better understand what is what. Unease, sadness, scepticism… all these things we normally classify as negative feelings – I do not personally believe it helps to deny them or push them away, for then they'll just come back till you finally give in and learn what it was you were meant to learn from them.. but if you go into them, see them for what they are, practice acceptance and compassion towards yourself… anyway, that's what I try to do with myself.
      And Marici, I do care about you and your likes and dislikes too (or your joy and suffering, I would prefer to say) – and I feel like there is a very obvious way to prove that – If I didn't I wouldn't be addressing you as I am – but instead I would only be directing this towards others as a warning and as a call towards a very critical scepticism concerning your posts – and yes, basing that on all the inconsistencies which I perceive there (which I more roughly labelled as exaggerations and delusions in my last post… which, frankly, are just as valid terms for them… this becomes more and more evident here, for me, as I analyse your writings in the detail that I am doing now…). But note, that even if I believe you exaggerate, and maintain certain delusions which you post here, I, personally – ME – have never claimed that you are either mad, a witch, insane, permanently unstable, or any of the other accusations which you have levelled against the Sangha. Yeah, I think you are severely unbalanced, and that it doesn't seem like you have much interest in changing that, but that doesn't make you neither mad or a witch or anything other than just plain human going through a very very rough time, and deserving of all the love and compassion that all beings in the universe are.

      “Faith in what? That violence against others is the right path? Or that poisonous irony and cynicism are jus other names for compassion ? Oh yes, that faith in you is now surely strengthened.”
      – I do not endorse or condone violence. I accept that it is in this world and part of this world – and as such, as everything is, is a part of God, or the Universe, or the One. And as such it must serve a purpose, and from my understanding that purpose is that it can help us learn, and grow, from our own mistakes, and move again towards unity and compassion.
      I mean… really, Marici? Your argument is that my faith is one of violence against others? …


      Here is just one more from your that bonus post you directed towards me:
      “Gyatso, this all is about who has where one’s moral/human limits. But yes, apparently you do not have such limits anymore…”
      – Again… You are basically concluding here that I have no morals or limits to my human… what, depravity? Immorality? Something very vague but severely egregious, obviously… I mean, that is what you are saying, right? And what exactly do you base this on? Do you feel that my one post above, the singular instance where we have had direct communication, is enough to label me as someone fallen below all morality?
      Are you seriously saying that a normal, rational, balanced human being, would make those accusations based on the given premise?

      Okay, I think that covered the personal attacks…. aaaaand…. I'm out!
      I was going to respond to your accusations towards Guru and the Sangha, but frankly, I can't be bothered now after going through all this. I feel like my response here should be enough so that anyone with half a mind who reads it will approach your comments in the future with scepticism and will hopefully want to do their own research concerning Dharma Sangha. And that was all I wanted, really : )

      I guess I wouldn't mind continuing this if it can be a dialogue, and if you actually answer some of my replies instead of the assumptions and ad-hominems… otherwise, I'm out for good, and I'll hope that anyone else who comes across this blog and other places where you post have enough patience to get a sense of your genuine character, the good and the bad, before believing the first things they read.

      Namaste

      (If anyone else out there might be interested in hearing more about my view of Guruji and or the Sangha, please feel free to write, and I will be happy to share : ) )

      • “Daaamn, but you do post long when you post, ay?”

        Just adjusting to your post length.

        “Okay, Marici, okay…
        I admit, reading your post I can see a whole bunch of places where what I write might come across as cynical or callous. That was not my intention. And I apologize for that.”

        Maybe you are just too young. I had learnt in life (I am 47) that it is wiser to first imagine how I would feel when reading such words from others. It’s anyway funny how you claimed hat you do not want discussion, but now you had been entangled in it. Why? If you think I am crazy, why to discuss with me at all? Just because you want to have the last say?

        “As I mentioned, I find it quite difficult to know what to do when I see your posts… I am going to do my best to be completely, one hundred percent honest in this page, and I hope that will shine through for others who read it… then there is not much more I can do, then it will be up to you and them to take that information and feel it for themselves..”

        There are plenty of things you could do if you are faithful to God and morality and compassion et. If these things are not just dead words to you as for your Sangha were in 2012.. You could for example ask you Guru to tell the truth about me publicly, which is that I never disturbed his meditation, I am not a witch and that I am a Yogini from my 16 year and disciple of Raman Maharishi. And second, you could maybe ensure that your group does not attack me and other people again, in the name of some middle-age witch-hunting …And that no more blood and broken bones and rapes will happen around your guru. And eventually I would also appreciate to get back the property which he robbed from me: laptop, MP3 player, etc (see my video appeal on YT).

        “My reason for this difficulty lies in my desire to be open, honest, and compassionate to all beings.”

        Then we are on the same boat!

        “Which is so much easier said than done, I am sure you will agree. But when I see your posts I want to defend the Sangha, and my Guru (… and when writing that I can sense how utterly silly that is – he doesn’t need any defending – everything always is on the path that it must be, things are as they are, and this earth will be restored no matter what now <3 ). "

        I am not condemning for this, If you check the old Google Group and my posts on the web in 2012, you will see that I had the same desire all the time! I loved him, respected him, was his devotee. But he hated me, persecuted me, gossiped me with lies.. This can go on for years, but at one point I woke up. And it was not the violence when I woke up. It was the rape. And even after it I was defending him against "bad media", haha… While he parallel spread lies about me in Sindhuli etc, what always came back to me through devotees who shared it… Cruel, low, primitive ways to harm someone so extremely loyal and well-wishing as I was to him! So no, you also realized that he does not need our protection (is he not the Liberator, in your view?): then why is he doing al that Fightclub? It is not violence for a reason. It is violence for violence, simply. Rapes for rapes.

        "And I want to do so because I simply don't believe the vast majority of the things you post."
        I am not the only victim. I am just one in the list of about 30 .. If you are computer literate, easy to find those cases. And believe me, Nepali media is not evil. They loved and respected DS before. They do not write lies just to harm him. And even if you spoke Nepali, you ask villagers, and everyone there knows all the violent stories… My story of tortueres by Darshan and Dorje and Molam and also DS was witnessed by a few people, who told it to Avenue TV before I even told anything. It was not an empty jungle.. Those witnesses are tickling bombs for those who did the crimes to me and Maata…

        "Okay… So… What do I actually know… know know.. .. Well, I Know that you were held in the jungle for a long time, because I saw you when you were released. I have no reason not to believe that you were held there for three months, as you say, as that seems to be consistent with a few rumours I heard when I first arrived near the Sangha (which were about how you had disappeared)."

        For some sensitive people it is enough to look at the photos a few dasy after the release, by Kantipur newspaper. They see what I went through. I looked like people in concentration camps… Can you really not see this?? But I do not blame you. I know that some cloud of dullness had been created there, to make people insensitive to the sufferings of others, me, Maata, later DS's own mother was tortured there (in April) and his sisters and brothers. He sent Darshan Dorje etc. against his own family too…Just due to the PR of the Sangha you, foreigners, are kept in isolation from the truth and news, but locally involved Nepalis know all.

        "As to what you endured whilst you were held there… that I don't know. And I would like to believe people when they tell me their truths, of course I do, but you see, I can't help feel that there is this pattern in the things you post that ..) makes it very hard for me to believe most of it…
        So let me try to illustrate that pattern, and maybe you, or others, can see what I mean. I'll start with your posts here in response to me: "

        You cannot expect that after all I went through (just try it, three months, on chain, which needs will you have not fulfilled, and how will you feel when hey daily tell you that they are going to kill you tomorrow… After one is released from this hell, one writes a lot. It is a very intensive darkness, a concentrated hatred in there. For me this all was new. My own spiritual path never included hell and torture… So I am still in a kind of shock, disbelief, at seeing my own devotee-friend torturing me and raping me…If you don't believe they broke my hands, you can check the X-ray done by a doctor after I flied home. And other signs of torture on my body. And think also about the Lewinski-Clinton story…Proofs are many. Just I was not so evil as them, I did not want revenge…

        ”No you don’t know, and no, you don’t have heartfelt compassion. If you ever had, you would not continue to write your cynical preying on the suffering caused entirely by people like you are and your friends.”
        – Partly agree, in hindsight, with your first point. Of course, obviously, I am not personally familiar with the pain you experienced. I didn't experience it, after all. But I didn't say I knew the pain you were in, merely that you were in a lot of it, which seems like an odd thing to deny – so many of your posts explicitly highlight the suffering you went through, and I don't think you are denying that, so what then?

        Did DS not highlight his own suffering? In nearly all speech! And in Mahapranidhana most! Suffering was extreme, and so I highlight. It I natural. What should I highlight, the nice sunshine during my stay on chains? Yes, there were some nice moments birds coming there and butterflies.. but come on: I want to warn others! There are enough butterflies on Maitriya websites, but that is not the reality for those whom he chains and ties in houses….He did so many and intensive evil to me, as no one ever. If I list all those deeds, it is terrible exactly because there were all those deeds done! Just watch carefully that I never write other things, just always the same: violence, sexual abuse, chain, breaking my hands. I could write that they pulled my hair or kept me in cold winter without a tent, but no, I am NOT lying; I write the exact truth; they gave me a tent, but also chains…and tortures. They gave me my clothes, but not other things I needed.. I am precise, because I know that God sees all I am writing and saying.

        "Are you saying that these experiences of yours which you go to great length to convey to others are now completely healed, or that I, presumably unlike other people who read your posts, cannot understand and accept that you suffered?"

        Instead of being lost in your complicated mind theories about such suffering, hey go and ask your girlfriend to chain you for only one month and ask Darshan hat kind of torture he did to me, so that you can also try. You know, practice can open your eyes, eventually…I am a simple and direct person, not making up so many theories. Healed? Of what? It is not me who has to be healed. I am healthy, apart from my broken hands, and other damage on joints from the chains etc. I was a Yogi before that torture, with ascetic meditations in 1987. I am strong, mentally. But my bones were fragile, and m feminity also: I still cannot cope with Darshan;s sexual abuse ordered by a Guru… This is my greatest difficulty. The pain. Darshan was my friend before, I trusted him, and DS turned him into a sadistic torturer.. For no reason.. This is painful, but again: this is not mental thing. This is about disappointment in a guru whom I trusted and respected. Who needs to heal here?

        "(perhaps because you identify me exclusively with the sangha (which will become evident throughout your post) instead of as an indvidual with my own experiences in life, my own background, my own joys, sorrows, hopes, doubts and sufferings…)."

        It is YOU who identifies with Sangha, because you do not take information from independent sources, just pre-chewed propaganda from Sangha websites. easy to see in your texts. If you feel an individual, why did you not ACT as an individual, but accepted that some women must be simply tortured in Halkoria, while other women enjoying the Maitri Puja .. Was it so easy to just accept? For a fanatic Sangha where individuality died, yes. But you did belong to them. You did not protest against what they were doing to us!

        "In the second part of that quote you accuse me of, a) preying on those already suffering. b) that their previous suffering is entirely caused by me and people like me) and c) in conclusion, that I thus can't have any heartfelt compassion. I actually agree with the causation of “c”, but utterly refute their basis in “a” and “b”.
        You don't know me, Marici, and it seems pretty aggressive to start a reply to someone by not only denying their stated intentions (which, I agree, could have been stated better by me), but by accusing me of being a predator on the suffering… Off to a fair and balanced start then.. "

        I know you from those happy photos of Maitri Puja. Is that not human to consider those people, you among them, lacking compassion, when you al were enjoying yourselves there, just a few minutes from me, while I was daily in terrors, physical pains and discomforts of all kinds? And this all, I can tell you, I beared patiently, because long I thought that maybe DS wanted to show me how he himself suffered.. but when he sent Darshan to sexually abuse me, I woke up: I simply did not believe that anyone sexually abused the meditating Bomjon boy! this is a nonsense! Then I realized that this all is not any test. Then I knew that this all was hell.. And you all were celebrating, and knew what was done to us (I suppose, not about the sex.abuse only), but did not mind it! I could not swallow a grain of rice, if I knew that some others are tortured in my vicinity by that same guru… So in your eyes compassion means something entirely different: words, sentimental feelings, hugging in pujas… but NOT deeds.

        "”remember, I was not the only one kept captive … – At the time when we were simultaneously in Halkoriya I was going through a lot of difficulty in my life. I was confused and doubtful about so many things, all rooted in myself, lack of understanding and compassion towards myself. I have never regretted the time I spent in the jungle, but to say that the majority of it was fun or easy for me certainly isn't true. Now, that isn't to say that I didn't also celebrate, enjoy myself, or laugh at times. All of those are a beautiful part of life, and without them, what would be the point of life? People are enjoying life, spreading love and compassion, celebrating, laughing, across the world, all the time, despite the rampant suffering in this age. If we didn't, again, there would be nothing worth living for for anyone – and we would all be stuck in constant suffering."

        I never claimed that others do not suffer. But what is crazy in that al what happened, that the harm and pain was done to two worshippers, devotee women (and NOT witches as even the guru lied!), and by a guru who preaches about non-violence, purity, non-harming bodies… Your suffering was simply a normal life's suffering of which I was also not spared in life. But come on, is that not just incomparable…? In private I can describe you the extreme things, which are even unpublishable, what Darshan, Shangbo, Dorje and Molam did to me there… It is very different to suffer in our daily life, or when intentionally "spiritual people" put you on chains and beat and cynically laugh when your both hands cannot be use after being broken..

        "Now, had I known that you and another being were being held in the jungle, I would have felt differently."

        You told that you knew! So I misunderstood? Or you knew it just a few days before my release?

        "I know myself well enough that I couldn't have let a thing like that rest or be dismissed without understanding all of it, had I first become aware of your situation. But I wasn't. I had heard about you, as far as I knew you were missing, I knew there was an area of the jungle were something was being kept that we weren't allowed near, but I had no idea what that was… "

        But I cannot blame you. When I was in Halkoria in 2011, also there were very suspicious things… Now I can guess why…We also heard about some Spanish woman whom he tied for weeks and released with skin coming down … And also about the 17 men… But Sangha also led to me and describe them as aggressors and witches.. And a Foreign boy, whom he beated up n 2011 – I even met him a day before! But we had been simply brainwashed to believe that DS was doing this from self-defense! So n, I cannot blame anyone, as I was brainwashed the same way and did not help the victims (I did not even know their names).

        ""Then you were released and more of the picture was revealed.
        So. To say that you or Mataa where MY victim… wow. Are you really accusing me of being a part or a cause of your suffering simply because I was in the same vicinity as you or met some people who, without me knowing it, knew you were there? ""

        When after all the details I gave on my website you still remained cynical and ridiculing our suffering, the yes, I was accusing you, because it sounded as if you entirely agree what you Sangha friends were doing (Darshan, Dorje, Molam, Shangbo) and also, what your guru was doing. If one is so much aligned with a Sangha's opinion, and unable to make up your own, then yes, that person also carries responsibility for harming others. I just hope that I was mistaken with this, and that maybe you are not so fanatic and brainwashed as I thought.

        ""And the way you contrast those points – that we were celebrating and laughing whilst keeping you captive, isn't that a bit blatantly manipulative imagery?""

        Darshan, Dorje, Molam, Budha, Khenpo Dawa, and soon also Andy,Kim, Ivy, Ramkumar, Waiba… many people KNEW that I was there, and a few even knew in what conditions. Your cynical writing sounded as if you knew that I was thee but did not mind. Your first post about this. But those who knew, and then I saw later the photos made, where the same people who knew, and even those who did the tortures directly, with wide smile, hugging others with "Maitri", …sorry but this really evokes in me bitterness and pain… How far can a human being fall, to insensitivity, zero empathy, cruelty… But when I say they were celebrating our torture, it has a more terrible implication: that those tortures were actually the main reason that DS called on to celebrate a Puja! Yes, the Maitri Puja 2012 was held to celebrate tortures of two women, with you knowing this or not….

        "Again, I was in the jungle, I was having a difficult time myself though of course there were good times too, and because of my presence there I was a gleeful participant in what was done to you, even if I was utterly ignorant of your presence? Hundreds of thousands of people came during that Puja to celebrate – are they equally guilty in their oppression of you? Equally malevolent in their joy?

        They should ask their conscience now, when they know what was happening there. You heard that I disappeared. Why did you not try to find me? Simple things like calling police or walking inside to see f I was kept somewhere there…There were sensitive spiritual people, who already when walking to Halkoria, ha seen very bad visions, and turned away.. I cannot blame those who are insensitive and did not know. But NOW they all know. Do you think they came to help me or Maata? No. they simply agreed, accepted that two women were held in bad condition during that puja… We are now in this NOW. I am viewing that even from the present. That time, on chains, I even did not know there were crowds…And I could not understand what was that all, like a nightmare, what Ds did to me. So I did not accuse anyone, not knowing what was going on there "outside". But when I already walked out, and the everyone saw me, then it started to be already everyone' responsibility, how to react… And sorry, but I don't remember you running to me with food, clothes, water, bandage or medicine…hm..

        ""But then you go ahead with the “I probably like to slap people – the suffering of others is okay to me” shtick and it's just… … I mean… what?! Marici, in all honesty, you know in your heart of hearts that this line of arguing/thinking/reasoning holds no ground. You don't know me, but you already suppose that I find it constructive to physically punish people.""

        You apparently agreed that Ds is slapping people over the years and even fragile women like me, and even beating with sticks… I wanted to remind you that this is what your Sangha is doing: half-openly propagating as a way to "discipline" or "punish" . I am just tired of this nonsense, so many times emphasized by Andy, Waiba and others too… As no one ever protested, I supposed that if you are writing in defense to their deeds against me, apparently you must also agree with eh deeds which you are defending.. It is logical. But I am relieved, if this is not so!

        “I do not mind that it sounds arrogant: I mind that you deeds were arrogant. Barbaric, cruel and heartless… And you still call that all “dharma”,”
        – Which of MY deeds have been arrogant, barbaric, cruel and heartless? Can you name a single one?""

        Supporting a group and individuals and a guru who are chaining women to trees for months, beat them an rape them. Not everyone can hold the stick, but many people are able to applaud…

        "" – No, of course I do not agree with or condone torture. I said I know you were there, not that I knew you were there whilst I was in the jungle. And of course, I still have no idea what actually happened to you there. I only have your word for the things you say happened, and as I am trying to make a point of here, your word is not one I can merely accept, since, again – your presumptions about me, for example, are startling, unfounded, and seem to autmatically assume the very very worst – how then can I trust the things you write?""

        It is interesting that you refuse to believe the description of a victim, who came out with two broken hands (you think I broke them myself just to discredit DS??). But in the same time, already two years long, you simply accept the "information" (false!) by which the Sangha feeds you. So are you really needing proof? No, you are acting on a prejudice: I believe Sangha, because they must be spiritual, and I don't believe Marici because she was announced an enemy.

        You have some ways to get proofs. Ask witnesses from local villages. Try to find out the truth directly from my torturers, or guru. Try to find who was hat witness who spoke to the TV about seeing the rapes… If you really want to know the truth, sincerely, it will be proved to you. But most Sangha members are so prejudiced against me, because they hear all those lies that I am supposed to be a witch and attacked DS … that they do not even ask questions, they just accept what was told to them from Sangha.

        “ “Anyway, I don’t really know where I am going with this. It always makes me a bit sad and strange to come across your posts – they automatically make me think sceptically about Guru and the Sangha, which I dislike..”
        Yeah, this is the important point: you and your Sangha are not interested in the truth. If the truth makes you feel uneasy, you jut replace it with some illusion. If you ever cared about other people, what do you think, do I not dislike what I had to feel about “guru” and Sangha, after what they did to me? What about my likes and dislikes…? Please care about that too! “
        – Again. How do you know what I am interested in? From that one post alone? If the truth makes me feel uneasy I face that truth. Which is why I wrote that you help strengthen my faith. Because if you make me feel uneasy or sceptical towards the sangha or Guru that means there is scepticism within me towards them, and that is good to know, and gives me the opportunity to look into, to understand myself and my doubts better, to apply critical compassion towards the sangha within my heart and to better understand what is what. ""

        This is twisted and unhealthy self-scrupulousness… Simply admit that you feel uneasy because there are things which do not fit to the content of the preaching about "non-violence", "non-discrimination', "peace", etc…

        ""Unease, sadness, skepticism… all these things we normally classify as negative feelings – I do not personally believe it helps to deny them or push them away, for then they'll just come back till you finally give in and learn what it was you were meant to learn from them.. but if you go into them, see them for what they are, practice acceptance and compassion towards yourself… anyway, that's what I try to do with myself.""

        Good luck for it :)

        ""And Marici, I do care about you and your likes and dislikes too (or your joy and suffering, I would prefer to say) – and I feel like there is a very obvious way to prove that – If I didn't I wouldn't be addressing you as I am – but instead I would only be directing this towards others as a warning and as a call towards a very critical scepticism concerning your posts – ""

        If you wanted to direct that post to me, why you did not write me an email or why not used my website's comments page? I cannot believe this one much.

        ""and yes, basing that on all the inconsistencies which I perceive there (which I more roughly labelled as exaggerations and delusions in my last post… which, frankly, are just as valid terms for them… this becomes more and more evident here, for me, as I analyse your writings in the detail that I am doing now…).""

        Again, it must be clarified: they WERE exaggerations, yes, but not at the stage when I described them – but at the stage when they were doing those deeds to me! But delusions? The only delusion I am aware of is that I considered DS a guru, a divine, or at least a moral human teacher…That WAS a delusion,…

        ""But note, that even if I believe you exaggerate, and maintain certain delusions which you post here, I, personally – ME – have never claimed that you are either mad, a witch, insane, permanently unstable, or any of the other accusations which you have levelled against the Sangha.""

        You can read the Himalayan Ties article (one of them) http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=%27Buddha+Boy%27+finds+his+abode+of+peace+at+Sindhuli+forest+&NewsID=338915

        http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Security+sought+for+Buddha+Boy&NewsID=339551

        where Darshan, the spokesperson of DS then, accused me openly of "disturbed woman".. And Ivy in her Himalayan Times video as well. And many other people in many other sources, I can send you a collection of all those labels.. Now I am tired. So really, before you write "Marici accusing Sangha of libelling her mad", first check out the sources …There was also a Wikipeia affair when DS-editors tried to manipulate with links to "prove" that Marici is mentally ill..

        ""Yeah, I think you are severely unbalanced, and that it doesn't seem like you have much interest in changing that, but that doesn't make you neither mad or a witch or anything other than just plain human going through a very very rough time, and deserving of all the love and compassion that all beings in the universe are. ""

        After I will see that justice, non-violence, non-raping and saying truth will prevail at Ds and his Sangha, an after they return my stolen laptop, I get balanced for sure. But you have no idea about my mental strength. If you feel so good to label me "unbalanced" so enjoy it. But once you will learn that the truth is very very different.

        "" – Again… You are basically concluding here that I have no morals or limits to my human… what, depravity? Immorality? Something very vague but severely egregious, obviously… I mean, that is what you are saying, right? And what exactly do you base this on? ""

        On the fact that you were there, saw me, but did not do anything till today to relief my pain and harm even a bit. And on the fact that, instead, you were writing such a cynical post which clearly was not meant to show compassion. And yes, I cannot accept that even after you saw me, heard about my case, the internet provides many articles and videos of violence, and you even must have heard about my websites… even after this all you still support a guru and a group which is doing such cruel things to human beings like you.

        "" Are you seriously saying that a normal, rational, balanced human being, would make those accusations based on the given premise? ""

        This is called faulty (or not permitted) argumentation in the science of Logic. It is not about a competition who can attack the other verbally better. I was a victim of a physical attack and physical torture. If you want to justify it by psychologizing it, than I am not going to help you in that. I am staying with two feet on the ground and saying that non-violence is non-violence, no matter who and when and where deals with it. Rape is rape. Chains are chain. You do not heal my two broken wrists by writing clever sentences, and turning my pain back against me. It is nearly unbelievable to me that you feel offended that I reacted on your very deeply condemning and ridiculing article. You se in this only the fact that I offended you.. but what about the topic itself? …

        ""Okay, I think that covered the personal attacks…. aaaaand…. I'm out!
        I was going to respond to your accusations towards Guru and the Sangha, but frankly, I can't be bothered now after going through all this. I feel like my response here should be enough so that anyone with half a mind who reads it will approach your comments in the future with scepticism and will hopefully want to do their own research concerning Dharma Sangha. And that was all I wanted, really : )""

        That is not gonna happen. You think how witty a text you wrote… Just that it is transparent. using the tricks of "I apologize" and "I do feel compassion' your final aim is just a propaganda. Be sure that many people can see this, and such people come back to me …

        ""I guess I wouldn't mind continuing this if it can be a dialogue, and if you actually answer some of my replies instead of the assumptions and ad-hominems… ""

        Remember that it was YOU who posted the first such post accusing me of disbalance and similar "mental" things…You just naturally assume (after all, you are a proud DS Sangha member) that YO can offend the victim of your guru and YOU can write just any diagnoses, as you belong to the majority… When the victim (which was actually a victim of YOUR Sangha in the first place, not just any victim from the world) reacts to you, defending the truth, you are trying again: this time with some "sugar". It is the Nazi torturing method, "sugar and stick" – you heard about this I am sure. In the first post against me you used "sticks" and it did not work, so in this one you tried "sugar", but I am telling you: you cannot feed all readers with this. It is also obvious, as you mention it about three times, that in your main focus is : how will readers think about Marici after you posted your posts… So you confessed by this your main intention: libel! Trying to influence readers to condemn me, and consider me "inbalanced" as you do… You think it is that easy? Your cultist propaganda can be seen behind the masks,, sorry for that…

        ""otherwise, I'm out for good, and I'll hope that anyone else who comes across this blog and other places where you post have enough patience to get a sense of your genuine character, the good and the bad, before believing the first things they read. ""

        From writings like you just have executed, many people start to feel hypocrisy, sneakiness, playing with emotions… I see that things like compassion and truth stay for you just words to use them to soften the enemy. Because you did not wish to make me a friend. You want to see me as an enemy and not to find solution which would make happy both sides. Your solution is making happy just you and your Sangha/guru, at the price of subduing, pushing down and silencing the other side (Marici, victims). This became now clear in this last post of yours.

        (If anyone else out there might be interested in hearing more about my view of Guruji and or the Sangha, please feel free to write, and I will be happy to share : ) ) –

        Gyatso, the Internet is overspammed with light-blue bubbles of your Guruji over tens of pages. Youtube, Facebook,Twiter, google… everywhere. Do you mean it seriously that at this stage people would need to navigate them to find it…? But I can tell you, as many people write me, that people are not so stupid as to not see that all this pinkish paradise world of Dharma Sangha is artificially promoted on the Internet and that it must be hiding something very ugly, seeing the big effort to make it look polished and pure…

  36. And Gyatso, if you try to claim that the witch-accusations by your “guru” and his “sangha’ are just my own attempt to speak bad about them, then read the many articles on the net, where the “guru” and his followers explicitly justified to reporters their crimes against me (and Maata) with “witchcraft”:

    “the Slovak woman was meditating in the Halkhoriya jungle and during one of those days she was taken hostage by Bamjan’s followers accusing her ‘of being a witch’. ”

    http://www.thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=Bamjan%27s+aides+free+Slovak+woman&NewsID=325643

    “They were accused by his followers for practicing witchcraft to disrupt Bomjon’s meditation.”

    http://nepalrodi.blogspot.com/2012/08/ram-bahadur-bomjonbuddha-boy.html#.VGBKr8lvA8M

    “The woman identified only as Marichi, 35, and another woman from Nepal had been kept inside a jungle in Bara district bordering India for allegedly practicing witchcraft to disrupt Bamjan’s meditation”

    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/nepal-s-boy-buddha-frees-slovak-hostage/article1-831282.aspx

    “The followers of the guru that were responsible for the captivity of the two women argued that they were practicing witchcraft and were disturbing the meditation of the Enlightened.”

    http://brazilweirdnews.blogspot.com/2012/05/when-buddha-boy-has-to-be-bad-boy.html

    “According to The Himalayan Times …The women were kept as prisoners because Ram Bomjon’s supporters accused them of practicing witchcraft in order to magically disrupt Ram Bomjon’s serene meditation.” http://irregulartimes.com/2012/04/12/ram-bomjon-buddha-boy-gone-wild/

    And the open libel by your “guru’s” spokesperson Darshan Limbu (Jyampa Foon Chok) about claiming I was “crazy” and an attacker, apart from all the other lies about having “kept in a room” and “interest in penance”, is also easy to search:
    “When asked about holding a Slovak Marichi into captivity, Limbu said that she was a mentally disturbed woman. According to him, Marichi was kept in a room after she expressed her interest to sit for penance. “But, she attacked Bamjan later,” he added.”

    http://thehimalayantimes.com/fullNews.php?headline=%27Buddha+Boy%27+finds+his+abode+of+peace+at+Sindhuli+forest+&NewsID=338915

    So you see, I did not even have to say anything about this, your “guru” and his “Sangha” had themselves spread the witch-accusations concerning me and Maata. Please do not claim things ( that there were no witch-accusations from Bomjon towards me) which you first did not check out on the Internet, media and best, in reality….

  37. Fixing mistake in my posts to Gyatso: I wrote that Ivy Jugoa libeled me mentally disturbed on her Himalayan Times video. This is a mistake, I wanted to write Himalayan Voice video, of course. After some notice from more diplomatic Sangha, they made than video private (after half a year of showing)…

  38. I’ve just read your post Marici. I am not going to spend time going through it paragraph for paragraph as we have both been doing. It is too long for that now, and I think we both (and presumably anyone else reading this, if there are any other people reading this) have a relatively clear sense of the other and of the issues involved.

    I thank you for answering in the level of detail that you did. I do feel that your last post helped me getter a more rounded sense of who you are and of your experiences.

    Your post starts out “better” too, than the previous ones, at least less aggressive, as I perceive it, towards me, and more open to listening to the things I have been saying. But by the end you are saying things like i use “nazi torturing methods”, and the like.

    Which, for me, just indicates that you are either currently incapable or unwilling to honestly read and look at what I have actually said, and instead end up manipulating it to fit your own narrative.
    As, I am sure, you perceive me as doing with what you are writing.
    I don’t think we will get beyond this “dilemma”, though I hope it happens.

    – So, a few points in conclusion (or temporary conclusion) –

    I have empathy for the fact that you were held in the jungle for months, and for the fact that it continues to haunt you like it does. But I simply do not believe all your talk of torture and rape. The only word I have for it is yours, and that word, to me at least, has proven again and again through your writings here about me and in response to me, and other places on the internet, particularly concerning Guruji (for how, Marici, can you possibly know that these tortures which you said happened, if they did indeed happen, were at “his command” and not those of individuals) to be so full of exaggerations, jumps in logic, willful ignorance, and aggressive statements that I cannot believe it.
    Again, I am not saying you are crazy. But that doesn’t mean I can’t help but believe that much and most of what you say concerning all this exists solely within your perception of reality.

    As to all the links and “news” pages you post. To each their own, but that does nothing for me. I don’t trust anything the news has to say here back home, and I sure don’t trust Nepali internet news to be fair and maintain journalistic integrity compared to pandering to their owners and the moneyed interests in the country which all have political and financial reasons to disapprove of and to fear Guru and a Dharma of harmony and equality amongst all people and nature.

    One simple and good example is one you have listed at times (when you note how Dharma Sangha has “attacked” up to 30 people) – the case where eight or nine or so young people (but older, or the same age as DS) supposedly disturbed his meditation and got beaten up… how on earth does one emaciated boy who has been sitting in the jungle for months on end beat up nine others?! It is hardly possible, in my opinion, and makes little sense anyway. What does make sense, to me, is that Dharma Sangha is doing something immensely important for this planet and that it is a holy thing and should be honoured and respected, and that people who disturb or attack him to the degree that it disturbs his physical meditation may end up receiving a measure of their own method, a reflection of their own actions, so to speak. If this was a folktale of a zen meditation master who beat up nine violent harassers for disturbing his practice we wouldn’t blink twice. But cast through the distorted perception of the media even cases which seem utterly illogical get presented as fact (the obvious question in this case being that if this story is how the nepali news or yourself has presented it, then what on earth is the reasoning behind it, how does it make any sense? A boy in the jungle meditating sees eight or nine others and decides to attack them and actually “wins”?! That doesn’t sound particularly logical or realistic to me).

    Anyway, think I’m done for now. Again I’m here to talk if anyone is interested (yes, Marici, I am adressing others, no, that does not prove I was lying or inconsistent or not adressing you – shit aint so black and white, and a thing can be many things at once… I am sorry for tone by I am bit exasperated from spending so much time with someone who won’t actually listen. That was why I said, and meant, what I first wrote about not wanting to discuss this. Discussion doesn’t lead to anything at all unless both parties are willing to listen the other, and I am done spending my time on more “discussion”. I just couldn’t help myself, I guess, the old ego patterns. I just hope that this served a good purpose for someone, somewhere).

    And yeah, next time I am with the Sangha or have the chance to ask Guruji I might well ask them about you. I am genuinely interested in what they have to say. I have actually asked the sangha member which I both trust the most and whom I perceive as having the greatest most compassionate heart amongst all of us, and what that person said made perfect sense to me. I can pm that to you if you want, and also what I heard was said at a meeting concerning you and held just before your release, which I was told by someone who was at that meeting and told me the day after.

    Namaste

  39. بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
    Say, “He is Allah , [who is] One,
    Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
    He neither begets nor is born,
    Nor is there to Him any [compareable or] equivalent.”

    Above the definition of God that is Allah, Buddha could be a Prophet of God. If anything fulfilled above testimony, it is God then rightfult to be worshiped and command.

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